Webyes, it is. Please refer to these threads instead. They use it for aesthetic, yes you heard me people struggling with gender identity but no they make it aesthetic and make up excuses for it being for disabilities when it was made on tumblr. But is that what xenogenders are, or are they an earnest effort by people to define themselves in a way that make sense to them? Parent of trans child artfully debunks tired, illogical claim being transgender is a teenage fad, JK Rowling and the Chamber of Trans Youth Misinformation, The complex, divisive history of the word TERF, what it means and why its not actually a slur. I would greatly appreciate, if I could be provided a little bit more information. So for cloudgender I can think of a few things, like light and fluffy like a cloud, or the overal aesthetic of clouds can be applied to a persons gender identity! here, how about a question, what would you say your gender felt likewithout naming it the following: masculine, feminine, androgyne, neutral, male, female, man, woman and so on. (ex. Friendly reminder that under current ToS, we don't allow invalidation of anyone's identity, be they standard or esoteric. This means that on AVEN y In addition to this, people may describe amative genders with nouns (explaination of the terms in the links), https://www.lgbtqia.wiki/wiki/Affinitive_Genders, https://www.lgbtqia.wiki/wiki/Amative_Orientations, like for a way ofexperiensing a gender(see schrodigender)or for conditional genderfluidity (seeastrogender), which may sound simular to affirmative xenogenders for an outside observer and may also be considered xenogenders, and yet aredifferent from affirmative xenogenders as you see, https://www.lgbtqia.wiki/wiki/Schrodigender, https://www.lgbtqia.wiki/wiki/Astrogender, but that doesn't aurtomatically mean they are valid, What do you mean? But these are all external relationships. They are not valid in lgtb, they are valid on their own. Some of it isn't pleasant from both the cis-normative and LGBT darker corners of communities. Being a therian means you feel more like a animal, or you feel comfort in acting like one. ), At the same time, if something is"valid", it seems to lead to respecting your identity, accepting it as real, not thinking xenogenders are "sarcastic" and not bullying you, and generally if you're saying what xenogenders are valid, it may be a marker what you're likely not ablist (even though you technically don't have to be neurodivergent for identifying as xenogender, xenogenders still usually are strongly linked to neurodivergent experience) and not transphobic andtherefore safe to interact with. That doesnt exclude genders that fall under Xenogender, Aesthetigender, etc. Id say no. Pronouns are meant to replace nouns and kitty/kittyself (just an example) are nouns, defeating the point of pronouns. Nounself pronouns Saying you are cat gender because you feel "warm and fuzzy" is terrible. The MOGAI community Wiki is a FANDOM Lifestyle Community. Ringo: I have a xenogender! If its not valid to say feeling warm and fuzzy makes you feel like a cat, what exactly does it mean to be gender fluid and feel like a girl some days and a boy others? I don't think stuff equivalent to being goth should give people those same protections. Prince Harry's memoirs came out on January 10 and do not stop making waves. It was especially shocking that binary transgender people were taking part in this bullying. You arent laying out an argument. (Nazi-gender, gayfuckgender, stupidgender, sourgender, mentalillnessgender). Yes people can have fun with xenogenders but there is a line and some people crossed it. More general trans/nonbinary information. Jeffery Baker*, a Bythewood student, falls somewhere in the middle with this issue, If Im with you, Ill call you whatever you want, but I dont think it should be the job of society to change. He continued, society should not be forced to normalize it, because that just goes against the first amendment., Daisy, a non-binary, they/them user disagreed. On 1/15/2022 at 7:22 PM, LGBTAtreyu said: On 1/15/2022 at 9:50 PM, LGBTAtreyu said: On 1/15/2022 at 6:26 PM, LGBTAtreyu said: On 1/15/2022 at 8:41 PM, Burgundy Ashe said: Aromantic Asexual & Furry-Mobian Fetishist, AVEN Unofficial discord and other resources during the COVID-19 pandemic, July/August/September 2022 - Asexual Dating, https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeKCCb0pNZKmtb5gTcRli14IVdWkXFDHM8UqMw7Ajw2KDYxBg/viewform, If I can lift weights with a mask on you can walk with one,Karen, The Purple Foxy thats helpful, supportive, friendly always . From the time that were young, were taught that there are only hers and hims. You arent laying out a premise. After all, thats what the process is called. I certainly know I have such a relationship, where I can say, My body wants X, but I dont. Or, I want X, but my body doesnt.. for years, because at a time it was considered disgusting and not normal to like the same gender, or to identify with the opposite gender. From the time that were young, were taught that there are only hers and hims. Paste as plain text instead, Thank you. WebXenogenders are valid. It's not a definition, you can't define something just by saying it's "outside of human understanding", it's a describsion but doesn't fit my definition of a definition (andit's obviously inaccurate, as some humans do identify as xenogenders, and has some implications of everyone who is xenogender being otherkin or something) It was in the original definition, but it's not even the original definition itself (anyway, i thinkcertainxenogenders existed before the term "xenogender", which is an umbrella term for any gender which is described or felt through or with a help ofnouns/concepts unrelated to western gender binary (for this reason saying that xenogenders are "outside of human understanding" kinda implies that western gender binary is somehow inherently human, which is false)), The concepts in xenogenders may relate to different things, they are different for different people, but some examples may be based on certain things giving gender euphoria for a non-binary person in a way people may relate blue or pink to binary genders, oremotional synesthesia in Autistic people applied to gender, or something in person's life affecting how the personperceives their gender or gender in general in a way that they want to state it. I will try to be more careful in that regard in the future. Your link has been automatically embedded. She looks at popular media and decides she needs penguin farts. Xenogenders are not transphobic and they are completely valid and real. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Subreddit for the socialist streamer & media critic Vaush, Press J to jump to the feed. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Transphobes dont hate us because we use neopronouns, they hate us because were trans., Gender dysphoria is the feeling of discomfort or distress that might occur in people whose gender identity differs from their sex assigned at birth or sex-related physical characteristics. Its not real! The meaning of neogender as a subcategory is any gender that has come around since the early 2000s, meaning that it even includes terms that people wouldn't normally consider to be MOGAI like demiboy and genderfluid. Neopronouns can be complicated to execute, and you might mess up, but its much better to learn from your mistakes, than to intentionally misgender someone because its too hard., Cass continued, You cannot pick and choose which of us are worthy of support and validation. in order to express their experience with gender in this way because they feel it cant be adequately expressed or described through masc/femme categorization. Occasionally you might meet someone who breaks the normal binary, and uses they/them pronouns, but there is more than one way to identify as non-binary. if you are trans, why can you not accept those who are also trans, but describe their gender in ways OB Feb 2, 2021 at 10:23 pm. Transgender and gender-nonconforming people might experience gender dysphoria at some point in their lives. Many non-binary people experience gender dysphoria, except they experience it for. I would probably describe my gender as simply "me" if couldn't describe it as under any of those terms. She wants to fix how people see her by changing her body. WebTMBR: Xenogenders are not valid. I am being called homophobic/transphobic for hating on xenogenders because they are NOT LGBTQIA+ and the people using these What would you describe your gender like? But! Transequality.org stated, Most people including most transgender people are either male or female. They were very helpful. You're complaining about someone being a cat, but that has no bearing on their pronouns or gender identity. So while were largely drawn to categorizing things or coming up with terms to help us communicate with each other, gender remains something that just gets more abstract the further you stray from cisnormativity. Transgender individuals feel dysphoria when misgendered. I fully support and get the idea of being trans - feeling like you were born in the wrong body. These are called neurogenders, and most of them are not described on this page, but on the neurogender page. Webi don't think xenogenders are valid. We should not be against each other and its really important trans people give each other support.. Press J to jump to the feed. And what does the word "valid" mean, can you define it? I thought xe/xem pronouns were easy and sounded good on me. due to both of them and every term under them being neogenders."[3]. This radical woke crowd is becoming a parody of itself. Your previous content has been restored. Something Tumblr Users used to mock LGTBQ+ people way back, its not real because Neurodivergent people don't understand gender the same way as most people! I have a problem with this because one cannot just transition into a cat or a dog, or PAINT. Actually, I'monly answering at least after a month or two after I've read this anddecided to answer (and this probably wasn't even the first time I've seen this, I probably just ignored this before, but don't remember, maybe not), I usually wastoo tired for a text this long or too emotionalat your wording to answer, Edit: well, some of this is just a dislike of terminology though, Edit 2: i mean, saying xenogenders areoutside of human understanding isn't offensive, as it was in the original definition and it's how some xenogender people define it, though i think you should use the whole definition and not just the most confusing part of it in the case (and i personally still dislikeit though) Yeti personally find calling xenogenders "hyperspecific" offensive, Also, it may be a bit too late, but i don't think questioning people's gender is fun, and i think it's better to rename the topic. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. But really this is just a nonbinary person who is adopting the aesthetic of a vampire, deer, cuttlefish, etc. its a gender **RELATING** to puppies mostly used by autistic and neurodiverse people who cant understand their gender although anyone can use it if they feel that way. But I wanted to know if its ok if I use this chart/how I should credit you. A poll asking people whether xenogenders are valid yes or no is NOT a good idea. Theyre doing more harm than the person who uses those pronouns by bashing them., continued, You cannot pick and choose which of us are worthy of support and validation. A user going by the name Moth posted a video stating, yeah I use neopronouns. Should probably just lock the thread then im trans as well, i identify as a man. WebNo. Xenic Alignment System (Gem Gender System), https://archive.vn/tJOgM#selection-365.1-365.3, https://archive.vn/tJOgM#selection-439.1-471.12, https://archive.vn/tJOgM#selection-355.0-357.244. This would be volunteer work, I have no resources to pay translators at the moment. Same here, I think the intent was to discuss the different perspectives on xenogenders, it was just very very very poorly conceived, BUT, really, O Neopronoun users deserve just as much respect as you do. Mine feels like the way bubbles look and move when you blow on them. I have literally never heard of xenogenders, so here's my expert straight cis neurotypical white male opinion: My identity doesn't make any difference to you, nor does yours to me.I am not the arbiter of which identities are valid, and which are not. In my own thoughts, its a very personal experience that people who dont identify with a xenogender (even if they do, they arent the specific person either!) I am currently in my 3rd year of writinga new type of educational LGBTQIA+ book aiming to help people achieve a better understanding of the community through stories and other writing. Possum.Lover, could you explain a bit more about Xenogenders? Its kinda confusing to say wether or no its valid (which is already a non acceptable statement as said by a trusty mod) but then say I dont mean to offend. xenogenders list xenogenders xenogender list of xenogenders r/xenogenders and morexenogender list are xenogenders valid? Thank you to everyone for your in-depth explanations. I agree with you in principle, but I have to ask: what do you believe makes a gender valid or invalid? I'm not a native English speaker and I can hardly understand it (Does this mean the word "valid" is invalid to me? I guess I'd raise a question of optics. If you have anything to contribute to this project, please get in touch by contacting me through one of these websites. Sorry I didnt see this any sooner but glad I could help! People who use Xenogenders to get into the LGBTQIA+ community do not experience gender dysphoria. In reality xenogenders are pretty similar to just different "identities" people have, such as goth or furry or stuff like that. I'm collecting examples of experiences that might count as xenogender, Answers to your questions about transgender people, 9 questions about trans issues you were too embarrassed to ask, Explained: The difference between gender, gender expression, and sexuality, From 'Disclosure' to 'Pose': What movies, shows to watch during Transgender Awareness Week. Then how does utilising xenogenders improve lives for the people who wish to utilise them? Nothing. So having concepts such as cloud gender don't really make any sense, but man/woman do make sense, as well as non-binary which is a rejection of both of these groups. My friend told me about her sister creating questionable genders. A person can have more than a one xenogender. Your post makes it sound like the LGBTQIA+ community has become a cool club some people try to join under false pretense.I'm under the impression there aren't a lot of perks to be gained by being part of the community, while there are still a lot of hardships and discrimination. I am aware that currently many terms are being coined to mock the LGBTQIA+ community, but I'm pretty sure that's not the case for Xenogenders, but that doesn't aurtomatically mean they are valid. We as a species can finally be free of its constraints, and flourish as a result. Instead of giving references to how their gender relates to maleness and femaleness, they say their gender is-- or is like-- a kind of animal, an imaginary being, a part of nature, an abstract concept, or a symbol. A common defense is the claim that autistic individuals experience gender differently, which is both ableist and infantilizing.One's gender cannot be rain, the color pink, soft and fluffy, a computer, et cetera.Gender is not a sense of connection to a concept. Occasionally you might meet someone who breaks the normal binary, and uses they/them pronouns, but there is more than one way to identify as non-binary. By PAOLA BAPELLE YEET MAGAZINE | Updated 0439 GMT (1239 HKT) March 24, 2022. isnt the root of transphobia. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Please refer to these threads instead. It is more helpful to ask xenogender people to help you understand xenogenders, than to ask non-xenogender p Display as a link instead, It is also considered as an umbrella term that brings together several sub-categories , according to different characterization methods: the first relates to archetypes of thought (fictitious creature, concept, symbol), the second to sensory or aesthetic perceptions (texture, form , size, light) and the last is linked to neuroatypies , gender identity is consubstantial with neurodivergence. Neopronouns should absolutely be normalized!! I mean I dunno I'm of the belief that we should work towards a society where the importance of gender is diminished, and making up a million micro labels would seem to help devalue the concept of gender. I also hate how some people say they are valid, they are not real genders. Ah wow Im surprised my thread is well enough to help people understand hahah <-< /lh /pos, But hey! Does the mind have a relationship with the body? Some people dont identify with any gender. What are you gonna do, cry? Moth goes by doll/dolls and teef/teefs pronouns, which caused a large backlash, not only on TikTok, but within the LGBTQ+ community. I promise. No, they are not valid You cannot feel a connection between an object or animal because they dont have a gender specifically and therefore they do We don't have to respect that - not because it's a less valid gender identity, but because it's less worthy of respect. Neogender was coined/defined by MM at Mogai-Wiki[1] on October 20, 2020[2] and was originally described as "Neogender is an umbrella term used to describe any gender coined/created in or after the year 2000. All rights reserved. If you want to contribute here is a link:https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeKCCb0pNZKmtb5gTcRli14IVdWkXFDHM8UqMw7Ajw2KDYxBg/viewform. Historically there have been two used since the 1300s, spe, For example, ou will could mean he will, she will, or it will. A "gender" that should not been taken seriously. Neopronouns are a category of new (neo) pronouns that are increasingly used in place of she, he, or they when referring to a person. Explaining what is mspec homo and why it is valid! It is more helpful to ask xenogender people to help you understand xenogenders, than to ask non-xenogender people whether they accept xenogenders or not. My xenogenders don't feel like that, but one of mine feels like the way my keyboard feels when I press the keys. So in a sense, you get to decide what gender you are, but society also gets a say since multiple people have to also accept the existence of your gender before it becomes "real". You may see the title as "provocative", but most people probably are just going to ignore it(or mayfind it too triggering to answer), expecially neurodivergent youngsters, who I think are likely tobethe majority of people identifying as xenogender. Some even went as far as to claim people using neopronouns are just cis straight people who wanted to be part of the LGBTQ+ commuinty but dont actually experience gender disphoria. Gender is very difficult to objectively measure, while sex is an objective measurement. believe me. Again, I am not trying to offend anyone, just trying to understand, because I need to know how to adress this in the book I am currently compiling. They are not valid at all. They are just a bunch of attention-seekers that make the LGBTQ+ community look bad. Like bro, you can identify as a frog Of course!!! Press J to jump to the feed. Taylor, I was doing research to understand what my 10 year old is going through when I came across your article. Test My Belief Reddit! As of 2/22/2021, when this Carrd received a complete revamp, the Italian and Portuguese translations are outdated. THIS so called gender was made by a tumblr user in 2014, which is quite obvious it is not lgtb.they have no links to what the lgtb is about such as Gender/sexuality/identification.it is stupid that they have ohtbursted in this pride month. So since gender is subjective, I would argue that it is intersubjective at the level of a society. Not understanding something doesnt give you an excuse to blatantly disrespect it. Some even started mocking neopronouns by putting things such as didnt/ask, or shut/up in their bios on the app. There's a moral consequence that doesn't exist with simple cat-gender identities. A Spanish translation is especially wanted, but any other language is also welcomed. 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